(The following is an edited version of a very extensive file downloaded from the Internet. Some of the highlights/emphasis are mine. - Branton)
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Michael,
Didn't Bill Moore get tangled up in this situation? Didn't this whole episode cause Paul Bennewitz to have a nervous breakdown? Do you have any further documentation on this aspect of the investigation? I for one would like to find out where some [if not all] of the disinformation came from. Are there any other investigations "The Phoenix Project" is working on?
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Rod
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
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PP> story of UFO's, government involvement and the Alien threat.
PP> That should be our objective. ... Perhaps you'll agree that, that
PP> objective is more productive than entertaining the public via the
PP> BBS links with a side-show of petty squabbles and bickering
PP> between individuals and organizations.
This is a noble sentiment, and one which we at ParaNet wholeheartedly agree with. Hopefully in the future the Phoenix Project's representatives will take some of their own advice and try to keep the rhetoric down to a more civilized level.
Having said that, let's look at the actual issues raised by this latest salvo from the Phoenix Project, and see how they stack up.
PP> Let us review the facts. You reacted by issuing a public warning
PP> to the members of ParaNet, which was also widely distributed via
PP> other BBS's nation-wide. That warning contained language which
PP> implied the information, and the source, were highly suspect.
PP> Thus, single-handedly, you created a strong impression throughout
PP> the UFO community, that our information was false. Many sincere
PP> people, trusting your qualifications, accepted your warning.
True.
PP> You took it upon yourself to make a snap judgement without
PP> examining the evidence.
False. We did not arrive at our conclusion single-handedly or instantaneously. Our analysis and the resulting warning were the products of considerable discussion among ParaNet's researchers and subscribers. They were also labeled as tentative, pending further investigation.
PP> In your message, you mention that you wrote to the Phoenix Project,
PP> after the fact and your preliminary judgement, requesting further
PP> information. You made the same comment in other BBS messages.
PP> You state that we did not respond to your request. You also imply,
PP> by insinuation, that this is a mark against us and a further indication
PP> that we are suspect. ... To date we have not received your letter of
PP> inquiry. Apparently, of all the mail we receive, your letter is the
PP> only one that has gone astray. We can only conclude that it was either
PP> lost in the mail or you didn't mail it. Did it ever occur to you to
PP> mail us a second request, when you did not receive a response to your
PP> first inquiry?
The letter was followed up with electronic mail to the Project's spokesman, Jack Mathias. The request for information was repeated through that channel. The request was refused.
PP> But, this was not the end of your attitude problem regarding the
PP> Phoenix Project. You did the same thing, again, issuing warnings,
PP> etc., with our release of the K-2 and the Ultimate Secret Reports.
PP> And, again, you had not seen or examined the supporting documents
PP> at the time you issued those warnings to ParaNet and the public.
We have already stated our reasons for suspecting the 'K-2' and "Ultimate Secret" reports. As with the 'Dulce' report, our suspicions went to the core of the entire concept and execution of both reports; consequently, it seemed unlikely that the "supporting documents" would make much difference. Our judgement in this matter was borne out when we received the "supporting documents" from another source. We were not impressed.
PP> Would we be out of line in concluding that your mind was already
PP> made-up?
Yes, that would be out of line, since our minds were not and in fact are not yet entirely made up. Our warnings were tentative, and in our view totally justified. So far we have not been provided with any evidence to the contrary. If such evidence is provided, we will not only change our minds but say so publicly.
PP> Fortunately, for the UFO Movement, other investigators and
PP> researchers don't share your opinion.
That's not the feedback we've been getting.
PP> You state in your initial message that "much of the information
PP> in the Dulce Report about Dulce and the Archuleta Mesa contradicts
PP> information already provided to ParaNet by other capable
PP> investigators." What information? Who provided it? How did
PP> you determine its validity?
Our information consists of the testimony of ParaNet investigators and others who have been in Dulce and on the Mesa. Their experiences were very different from what you describe, and it is difficult to reconcile your claims with the findings of our own people.
PP> We formally request access to that information. We'd like to
PP> examine it ourselves. Can we obtain copies of 'that' information?
Our investigation continues, and the information will be made public when it is complete. At that time we will be glad to provide you with a complimentary copy of our report.
PP> Now, let us get to the main thrust of your message - your
PP> investigation to reveal the personnel of the Phoenix Project.
PP>
PP> [several paragraphs of meaningless abuse deleted]
PP>
PP> What, if anything, is the Phoenix Project guilty of? Is it
PP> the fact that we dared to question and investigate two of the
PP> sacred cows of UFO-dom namely the ones you mentioned, i.e.,
PP> "underground alien bases, and the cluster of government projects
PP> referred to collectively as Operation Majestic Twelve?"
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From: ParaNet.Information.Service@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG
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Subject: Phoenix Response - Part 2
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No. ParaNet has long questioned both of those sacred cows. To this point we have seen no acceptable PROOF for the existence of any underground alien base near Dulce, nor have we seen adequate proof for the existence of "Operation Majestic Twelve". We have publicly stated as much on many occasions. (Note: I personally believe that there is much 'evidence' for underground activity near Dulce. As for 'proof' -- along the line of a Network video crew broadcasting a Live Special Report from inside the Dulce underground labs or something of the sort -- admittedly that kind of 'proof' is yet to be forthcoming. - Branton)
PP> According to our sources within the intelligence community, the
PP> Dulce Scam, perpetrated by the disinformation specialists of MAJI,
PP> better known to you as Majestic Twelve with help from the CIA and
PP> NSA, is considered one of their most brilliant success stories.
But, of course, these 'sources' cannot be named, and all we have to go on is your word that they even exist. And, unfortunately, you are making a concerted effort to keep anyone from knowing who *you* are, either. Anonymous stories relayed by anonymous story tellers. Sorry, but that's not 'evidence'.
PP> We sent in experienced investigators, not amateurs, to check out
PP> the alleged Dulce Base. Those people knew what to look for, how
PP> to look for it, how to get answers, and are not easily mislead.
We have no evidence for this except your say-so.
PP> If you do not agree with our findings, get off your posterior, go
PP> to Dulce, and check it out for yourself.
We have.
PP> In fact, we invite anybody to do the same thing. We're sure you'll
PP> find exactly what we did ...
We didn't.
PP> You imply that you're good at asking questions -- how are you
PP> at answering them? We have a few questions ... Would you mind
PP> sharing with all of us, everyone on the BBS's and the public, what
PP> hard evidence you have that, without question, supports the presence
PP> and validity of the Dulce Base.
Would you mind sharing what hard evidence you have that we ever said anything of the kind? We have never said anything in support of the presence of a secret alien base at Dulce. In point of fact, we consider it extremely unlikely that any such base exists -- at Dulce or anywhere else. That's one of the reasons we have so much trouble with your 'K-2' report, which purports to document the existence of just such a base in California.
PP> Unless you have irrefutable evidence to present, made available
PP> for public scrutiny and evaluation, which invalidates the findings
PP> of the Phoenix Project regarding Dulce, K-2, or the Ultimate Secret,
PP> or our future reports, back off. Either put-up or shut-up. In other
PP> words, get off our back.
All right, challenge accepted. Let's start with this statement from your "Ultimate Secret" report:
PP> According to eye-witness testimony, the CIA agent
PP> in charge of this covert operation, wearing the
PP> uniform of an AF Colonel, was William C. Cooper. ...
PP> This witness testifies that this is the same William C.
PP> Cooper, who has been prominent since 1988 in the
PP> civilian UFO movement.
Is this "William C. Cooper" supposed to be the famous Bill Cooper we have all come to know so well? Apparently so. Unfortunately, in his own published documents Bill Cooper gives his full name as "Milton William Cooper", not "William C. Cooper". Either Cooper doesn't know his own name, or the Phoenix Project's "eye witness" doesn't know what he's talking about.
And while we're on the subject of Bill Cooper, it is instructive to compare some of the text of the Phoenix Project's "Ultimate Secret" document with some of Bill Cooper's material on the same subject. Cooper writes in his "Operation Majority -- Final Release":
BC> [Project Grudge] was financed by CIA confidential funds
BC> [nonappropriated] and money from the illicit drug trade ...
BC> The purpose of Project Grudge was to collect all scientific,
BC> technological, medical and intelligence information from
BC> UFO/IAC sightings and contacts with alien life forms. This
BC> orderly file of collected information has been used to advance
BC> the United States Space Program.
Now look at the corresponding paragraph of the Phoenix Project's "Ultimate Secret" report:
PP> Project Aquarius was funded by CIA confidential funds
PP> [non-appropriated] ... The purpose of Project Aquarius
PP> was to collect all scientific, technological, medical
PP> and intelligence information from UFO/IAC sightings and
PP> contacts with alien lifeforms. This orderly file of collected
PP> information has been used to advance the United States'
PP> Space Program and provided the data needed to develop
PP> present stealth technology.
You don't have to be an intelligence agent to see that these two passages are virtually identical in both content and phrasing. Since Cooper's statement is dated 10 January 1989, more than half a year before the "Ultimate Secret" report's 'origination' date of 4 August 1989, we seem to be left with three possibilities: (1) Cooper was somehow privy to the Phoenix Project's investigative results even before they were first put to paper; or, (2) the Phoenix Project plagiarized Cooper's writings; or (3) the Phoenix Project's own investigations drew on the same [original] sources as Cooper apparently did in compiling his own materials. Whichever one you pick, it's not a pretty picture.
But it gets worse:
PP> The basic information revealing the existence of
PP> Operation Majestic-12, the crashed UFOs, alien beings,
PP> and their secret bases within the United States, was
PP> obtained through the Freedom of Information Act from the
PP> files of the CIA, NSA, FBI, State Department, the U.S.
PP> Air Force.
This is utter nonsense, as any perusal of published FOIA documents on UFOs would quickly reveal. FOIA requests have forced the government to disgorge many hundreds of pages of UFO documents over the years, but they provide little if any support for the existence of Operation Majestic Twelve, crashed saucers, alien beings, or secret bases. If the Phoenix Project is relying on already published documents as their source for this claim [e.g., "The UFO Cover-UP" by Lawrence Fawcett and Barry Green-wood, or "Above Top Secret" by Timothy Good], then clearly they have not examined them very carefully. On the other hand, if the project really does have such explosive FOIA documents in its possession, let's see them; their publication would do more to establish the project's credibility than anything else it could possibly do short of producing a live alien.
PP> PROJECT GRUDGE: This project was originally
PP> established in 1953, by order of President Eisenhower
PP> and is under the control of the CIA, NSA, and MAJI.
PP> Project Grudge went underground and another project,
PP> Project Sign, was established as a cover operation.
PP> In 1960, the Project's name was changed from Project
PP> SIGN to Project Bluebook.
This is demonstrably and totally wrong. Project Sign was established first, in 1947, and it was under the control of the Air Force, not the CIA. The name was changed to Project Grudge in 1949, and to Blue Book in 1952 -- not 1960. [For details, see "The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects" by Edward J. Ruppelt, who headed the project from 1951 to 1953.] The exact dates slide around a little bit depending on whether you're talking about when the decision was made, when the order was signed, or when the order became effective; but the differences are on the order of months, not decades! How could the Phoenix Project's experienced intelligence agents make so many ludicrous errors in a single paragraph?
Concluded in next message..>
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From: ParaNet.Information.Service@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG
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Subject: Phoenix Response - Conclusion
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In fact, this whole business was such an embarrassing mess that the Phoenix Project issued a 'correction' document to try to straighten it out. But, ironically, the correction is also wrong -- just less obviously so.
We could go on, but I think you get the point. The "Ultimate Secret" report is, at best, a rehash of other people's garbage. At worst, it is a deliberate effort to confuse and disinform.
PP> We actively encourage other serious investigators to use the
PP> information we have provided as a basis for conducting their
PP> own inquiry and to carry-on our effort. Can you, Mr. Corbin,
PP> or ParaNet, or Mufon, make the same claim. Or, is it true that
PP> the results of critical investigations are held sacred by the
PP> elite leadership of these organizations, and are not shared with
PP> the member's of their organizations or the public?
We can't speak for other organizations, but in the case of ParaNet we have always made our results public as soon as our investigations are complete.
PP> In your message, you insinuate that because of our past military
PP> and intelligence backgrounds, our area of expertise so-to-speak,
PP> that the motives of the Phoenix Project are suspect. You further
PP> insinuate that we are possibly government operatives attempting
PP> to send serious researchers off on a variety of wild goose chases.
Given the prior history of government disinformation in ufology, most of it purveyed by active or former intelligence agents and their victims, anyone who (1) purports to have a military intelligence background, (2) refuses to divulge their identity, and (3) propagates known disinformation as reliable intelligence [whether deliberately or not] should expect his motives to be considered suspect until proven otherwise. It is extremely naive of you to think it would happen any other way.
PP> If anyone needed assurance that the truth regarding UFO's
PP> will remain a deep, dark, secret -- they can rest secure in
PP> the knowledge that you, are on the job. There are any number
PP> of government agencies who would welcome you with open arms.
PP> Expect some offers.
Sorry, none so far. We'll let you know if we get any.
PP> We are sure that the honest and sincere members of ParaNet and
PP> other UFO investigative organizations [and there are many] must
PP> be seriously considering whether your qualifications, fitness and
PP> investigative ability warrant your continuance in a position of
PP> leadership within what used to be a respected research organization.
(Note: In my own experience with misiformation, disinformation and dubunker 'agents', very little effort is made to address the information at hand or rationally explain-away information, claims or data that is being released by an individual. Most of the efforts on the part of such agents are directed against the individuals themselves, as in character assassinations and attacks. In many cases they KNOW that they cannot refute the information, so they attempt to discredit the information through character assassination. Do police officers immediately "discredit" what a drug dealer tells them when he is exposing his superiors so that he himself can aquire a lesser sentence, or what a convicted child molester might tell them about a ritual child abuse ring that he has been involved with? No, especially if there is sufficient evidence to back up their claims. Someone who has been involved personally with some illicit activity can be more of a reliable source than someone who just hears about it second-hand. So the character assassination strategy by certain agents does not hold water especially in a case such as this, wherein ParaNet officials have had their character and integrity UNJUSTLY attacked in order to DIVERT ATTENTION from the subject at hand, OR TO DIVERT ATTENTION FROM THE LACK OF INTEGRITY OR OUTRIGHT DECIETFULNESS OF THESE 'AGENTS' THEMSELVES. I personally do not claim to be the infallible specimen of a perfect human being. I have a jail record, and suffer from emotional and psychological disabilities resulting from years of suppressed interactions with what I believe to be malevolent alien agendas and certain human agencies which are or were involved with them. Although the psychological-emotional turmoil or instability may not be entirely my fault, the jail term was a result of my own irresponsibility. What I am trying to say is that I do not CLAIM to have it all together any more than the average human being does, so why engage in 'character assassination' against someone who lives in a world whose overall inhabitants are generally lacking in perfect character? Show me someone with full awareness of "good and evil" who has never broken a law or one of the ten commandments. Aside from the Messiah Himself, there is no human being on earth that can make such a claim. And most often then not, when someone targets an individual for character assassination, as they say, "It takes one to know one." So in the search for the truth about what is really happening in this world, I would suggest that you do not get caught-up in emotional exchanges and character attacks which only serve to cloud the real issue -- which is WHETHER THE INFORMATION ITSELF IS OR IS NOT CORRECT! This is not to say that 'character' has no bearing whatsoever on information. For instance someone who has been known in the past to be a con artist might not be taken as seriously as an ORIGINAL SOURCE of information as, you might say, someone who has won a Pulitzer prize for investigative journalism. However we do need to keep a 'balance'. - Branton)
Exactly the opposite, actually. Most of our people are grateful for the warning, and are coming to the same conclusions as we did.
PP> Instead of making an honest attempt to validate or disprove our
PP> findings regarding the subjects mentioned -- missing the point
PP> completely, you chose to become obsessed with determining
PP> the identity of Phoenix Project personnel. For what reason? Do
PP> you intend to judge the validity of the information based on the
PP> credentials of those providing it? Some people would interpret
PP> that as putting the cart before the horse.
And some people would interpret it as a determination not to fall prey to the same fate as far too many others in this field, who trusted strangers too easily and ended up wasting years chasing wild geese -- or worse...
PP> You suggest a possible link between our organization and America
PP> West. Sorry about that, but you're dead wrong. It has come
PP> to us from several sources that we're not on their list of favorite
PP> people. We will take this opportunity to categorically deny that
PP> we have any affiliation with America West, their publication the
PP> "Phoenix Liberator," or any other publication they provide. Do
PP> not expect us to respond to the other coincidences, suppositions,
PP> insinuations or innuendoes contained in your message.
Why? Perhaps because there are other 'insinuations' that cannot be truthfully denied? As a matter of fact, we now have solid confirmation of another one of our 'insinuations' -- i.e., the fact that the Richard Miller who owns Advent Publishing is indeed the same Richard Miller who used to channel 'Hatonn'. That confirmation came from none other than Mr. Miller himself. So I guess we're not doing too badly.
In consideration of your explicit denials of any ties to America West, and in view of the additional information provided privately by Mr. Miller, we withdraw our previous suggestion of possible connections between the Phoenix Project and the America West/Phoenix Liberator operation. As we stated before, those suggestions were tentative pending further investigation, and further investigation has not uncovered any additional evidence to support them. Unfortunately, this is the kind of burden that the Phoenix Project inevitably took on when it chose to publicly portray itself as a clandestine organization.
PP> Since you brought up America West and The "Phoenix Liberator,"
PP> why not turn your investigative abilities loose on their
PP> organization. Just suppose that Milton Cooper is, quietly,
PP> linked to their organization. That should intrigue you...
PP> Equally intriguing, is where their funding comes from - not the
PP> obvious subscription income - the covert funding. Or, how about
PP> the busy and numerous, off premise, writers that prepare the volumes
PP> of 'Hatonn' material, and their use of high-speed modems to provide
PP> the copy for each weekly issue of the "Phoenix Liberator" and the
PP> dozens of books they produce. In our supposition, we're talking
PP> about a big-time operation. You might also check out their printing
PP> facilities, distribution centers, and world-wide circulation. Equally
PP> fascinating is their sudden rise, in a few short years, to the top of
PP> the New Age Movement. You might even think to ask yourself, why the
PP> New Age Movement? What possible connection is there with covert
PP> government UFO activities, or a New World Order, with the New Age
PP> Movement? The answer to that might be revealed, if you dig deep
PP> enough, and discover high-speed modem links between their headquarters
PP> and certain organizations located at Langley and Ft. Meade. Yes, if
PP> you really dig, you might uncover all kinds of interesting things
PP> about America West.
Thanks for the tip.
(I may be wrong, but this sounds very similar to the ramblings of cultists who have broken off from the 'mother' sect to establish their own branch cults... essentially agreeing with the basic 'belief system' -- which in this case might be the channeling of 'Ashtar' intelligence's -- while at the same time claiming that 'they' and not their former 'apostate leaders' are the sole spokesmen for the 'higher powers' on earth. As for the religious 'denomination' in which I was raised, one which dominates a major western state and stretches the Constitutional restrictions on separation of church and state to their uttermost limits, I have come to find out that over 500 'branch' religions ranging from a few followers to tens of thousands of followers have separated from the 'main' denomination. This is one of the main reasons why I became a non-denominationalist Judeo-Christian. One of these 500-or-so branches incidentally was the 'Freeman Order' which was involved in a drawn-out FBI stand-off in 1996. The U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights allows for the right to worship as one wishes SO LONG AS one does not infringe on the constitutional rights of others and the laws of the land. Of course 'inquisitional' or 'terrorist' religious practices, or the 'religious' practice of ritual child abuse, or religious institutions that attempt to force their will upon an elected government, or one whose members in government use taxpayer funds or personal influence to show political favoritism towards their 'churches', have no place in a Constitutional Democratic-Republic. Nor does a our Constitutional system have to put up with cults like the 'Freemen' who have blatantly resisted the PUBLICLY-instituted legal restrictions against money fraud or child sexual abuse, even if the 'Freeman' or similar cults hypocritically use 'Ruby Ridge', 'Waco' or other legitimate yet incendiary catch-phrases to justify their own illegal activities. - Branton)
PP> As to your effort in trying to identify staff personnel of the
PP> Phoenix Project -- good luck. However, we do have to admit that
PP> you may get lucky and hit on a couple of them. However, since
PP> there are many, it is doubtful you will ever get beyond that point.
Our only interest in the personnel of the Phoenix Project is to determine whether the Project has a hidden agenda, and whether it is covertly linked to other organizations whose agendas are known. That interest was made necessary by the Project's clandestine nature and consequent lack of public accountability. You brought it on yourselves, and your continuing hostility and evasiveness suggest that we were not entirely mistaken in our suspicions.
Our investigation continues. We'll let you know what we find out.
Michael Corbin
Director
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